Superhero fans who loved reading about OP characters need to look no farther than the wildly popular Dragon Ball manga series. SHDb; uStats; Intelligence. That’s a mistranslation in the FUNimation dub that everyone likes to spread around for some reason. Now stop spreading the whole “Broly is strongest character” thing. You can’t take a movie character who lost to a powered up SSJ1 and say he could destroy a villain who could beat a max power SSJ3 Goku. Power. He’s the hero who tries no matter how bad the outcome looks. To top it all off, Vegeta says Goku at full power SSJ3 COULD have completely obliterated Kid Boo, to which Goku agreed. The problem with Goku vs. Superman is there is no incarnation of Superman that is 100% evenly matched against Goku. They’re two different fighters, in different universes, obeying a different set of space/time laws, using different power scalings, and different attacks. Compared to Goku, Vegeta's relationship with Sonic was that of co-workers who got along well enough, but didn't really interact with each other all that much. So, in that instance, Goku would demolish Superman in just about any stage of his life. He is claiming Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo. Katsu no wa dotchida!? Next episode Vegeta 8/10. This heavily points to the fact Kid Boo got significantly weaker than Super Boo and Goku and Vegeta felt they were finally on even playing ground. After landing on Earth, the young Saiyan was found in the woods by an old man named Gohan and became his adopted grandson. However, after Goku privately tells him of Sonic's fate and his desire to save him from it if he can, Vegeta begins paying more attention to Sonic throughout the final battle of … Potage tells Vegeta to chew on the key to Commeson, as it could earn him a little time, which the Saiyan prince does. Goku is shocked to see the sight of Vegeta chewing on a pacifier. (悟空VS複製ベジータ! King Kai warned Goku that Vegeta would be too strong. Duplicate Vegeta fires a barrage of energy blasts at Goku, who manages to block them. Goku, realizing this is his chance, fires a God Kamehameha at Duplicate Vegeta, disintegrating him. That should mean that in Trunks' time line there must have been another Trunks coming from his future to tell about Goku black but that can't be since 1. : then trunks would have already known about Goku black in his future time line since the future future trunks appeared already (l and 2. : that would also end in an endless … Kaio-Ken would double Goku to a combat level of 16,000, still less than Vegeta’s, so Kaio-Ken x 3 would triple it to make it 24,000, significantly higher than Vegeta’s, demonstrated when he beat the shit out of Vegeta. When Goku couldn’t retain SSJ3 against Kid Boo, did that mean he didn’t have SSJ3 at all? Now let’s take Post-Crisis Superman and pit him against Goku. I don’t feel the need to post a manga scan for this because it’s a pretty obvious thing to deduce even without it. GokÅ« tai fukusei BejÄ«ta! First off, Broly is non-canon so, by canonical…. After freeing Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo, Goku states Super Boo (in his original form he fought Gotenks in) is still too powerful for either SSJ3 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta, so that proves Super Boo even without any absorbed fighters is stronger than either of them. After Yajirobe removes Vegeta’s tail, he states he STILL has enough power to kill every last one of them, demonstrating it by knocking out Yajirobe and Krillin and then going after Gohan. It comes to two possible reasons: I don’t believe Toriyama wrote the battle between them to have Goku win, because he obviously couldn’t. First, I’ll explain how Fat Boo overpowers Super Boo (even as far as Gohan absorbed). Menace of the Duplicate Vegeta! Only in the Pokémon universe. The core is seen hiding behind the group, and tries to sneak up on Goten, but Trunks and Jaco notices and blast through it, to no avail. Vegeta starts getting frustrated that Duplicate Vegeta is failing to dodge certain attacks and begins cheering for his clone when he knocks Goku away. - The Goku and Vegeta used to make Vegito can both use "Complete Blue" (manga version) or SSBKX20 Goku and Royal Blue Vegeta (no UI for this version of Goku at all) - The MUI Goku can of course fully tap into and control UI at will and has basically Goku's power level at the end of the Moro arc. Goku was done, beat and couldn’t move at all to fight. Goku and Duplicate Vegeta wonder who's side Vegeta is on. Goku has been training to fight since he was a child, and his skill as a fighter have come on a lot of intense training. First, we are never given a true example of how powerful Fat Boo is. Super Saiyan 3>Buu, in terms of pure power. Neither Goku nor Vegeta alone could handle Fat Boo OR Super Boo, so it’s no surprise they’d still struggle against Kid Boo, who was only a couple pegs below Fat and Super Boo. Monaka, who is "waking up", nonchalantly steps on Commeson's core behind him, which damages it along with Duplicate Vegeta. This means Kid Boo is, by canon, immensely weaker than Fat Boo, and weaker than Super Boo since Super Boo had Gohan/Gotenks/Piccolo adding to his power. 5 years ago. Japanese airdate Tier. Goku has repeatedly entered battles he knew he couldn’t win, simply aiming for the challenge and to see how he stacked up. This literally states Kid Boo was weaker than SSJ3 Goku if he could have killed Kid Boo at full power. Vegeta: Dang it, I will not allow you win Kakarrot! As an example, chi is the name of the energy Goku and the other Z fighters use. No other character is DBZ is ever said to be able to beat Freeza in one punch, and it’s worth noting that Supreme Kai only stated this AFTER Vegeta pointed out a Saiyan could do the same amount of damage as Kid Boo could back in those days. Then Gohan and Krillin arrive. According to DBZ manga canon, Fat Boo is the strongest form of Boo, he simply cannot access all 100% of his power due to the restraints. Romaji name Goku asks Vegeta if he was chewing on a pacifier, to which Vegeta is confused. Chi-Chi is relieved to see Goten is safe, and Bulma tells Trunks not to sneak on a spacecraft again. Hell, we could take both characters at the very end of their respective timelines. 1. Any argument saying otherwise is arguing Akira Toriyama’s words, which as we all know, is word of God. Who will win in a fight between Kid Goku and Vegeta? Yet, Vegeta at SSJ2 could actually damage Kid Boo, which showed as Kid Boo would show slight damage and anger at being hurt. A blog for posting manga scans and facts that many may not know or believe due to inaccuracies in the FUNimation dub. Sure, Charlie Sheen would probably win just because he’s Charlie Sheen, but there’s no way for us to say who would win since we have no idea what that other dimension is like or what the other being could do in this one. Vegeta is frustrated that a copy is fighting with Goku and he is not. 4 WON WITH SKILLS: Goku Vs Yakon This was a fun moment from the Buu saga. Boomstick: let’s explain why Goku and Vegeta won, while Naruto and Sasuke had better haxes, that’s really the only thing they had going for them, Goku and Vegeta were Faster, More Durable, More experienced and Stronger. Goku's will VS Vegeta's determination and pride. And as I said before, they live in alternate universes that cannot be compared. Trunks reminds him that if the clone is not beaten, then he dies. SSJ1 Goku with a power-up from Piccolo, Trunks, Gohan, and Vegeta made Goku powerful enough to beat Broly in a single punch. He didn’t hide or run or back down from Vegeta. Goku… SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs. SSJ2 Post-Majin Vegeta? Its original American airdate was January 13, 2018. The entire events of this episode were exclusive to the anime. Round 4 SSJ2 ENRAGED Kid Gohan vs. … Every other Saigon Vs Goku and Vegeta. is the forty-sixth episode of Dragon Ball Super. Kid Boo wanted to murder everything, so it’s no surprise people tend to think of Kid Boo as the stronger/strongest one, seeing as he was the only one to actively hunt down and kill others. 悟空VS複製ベジータ! Copy-Vegeta Saga The two then prepare to continue their fight. Meanwhile, in the annihilated Alternate Timeline, Future Trunks is exhausted from running, until a blast of light surprises him. However, as I pointed out, Fat Boo is the end result of Kid Boo gaining the power of FOUR different characters that could each beat Freeza with a punch. SSJ1 Goku even with said power-up was not on SSJ2 power level standings, much less SSJ3. Goku begins his battle to the death with Duplicate Vegeta, and they turn out to be evenly matched. However, why would Goku and Vegeta laugh at Kid Boo if he got stronger? Now, if chi doesn’t exist in Superman’s universe and the two fought in Superman’s universe, Goku instantly has zero power to draw from. The opposite might be true for Superman. A light ends up blinding Vegeta who grabs its face. Vegeta tells Duplicate Vegeta to win as fast as possible, then tells Goku not to hold back, then flies back to the ground. The number of times Vegeta, Gohan, and Goku have stepped up in dire situations and found a completely new transformation to outfox the enemy is hilarious. The problem there is there are many forms of Superman, each with their own different timeline ending. While they are running from Commeson, Jaco is panicking that he will become a victim and a copy of him is made, but Trunks reassures him that he would quickly defeat his clone. If you’re including non-canon stuff anyway, Broly get’s further levels of Super Saiyan, including 3 and 4 in Heroes. 7 Goku And Vegeta: Better Fighting … Do you think he simply fought for the challenge? When Goku arrives back on Earth to face Vegeta and Nappa, Vegeta states that Goku’s combat level is 8,000 (Yes, 8000, not 9000 like that one bad dub said). Lastly, Kid Boo at the end of DBZ is much weaker than Fat Boo because he was never super powerful. It's a part of his power set, like a transformation into … It’s his DNA. Jaco then trips, and Commeson is approaching him, but it evades Jaco and begins chasing the others. Goku Vs. Naruto. 0 wins (0%) Kid Goku Kakarot: power stats. Let’s take the original comics Superman. He couldn’t just let Vegeta destroy Earth without a fight. But then you get bias and unfair advantages. Kid Boo only seemed powerful because he could still overpower Goku and Vegeta, which any form of Boo already proved they could already do. who would win between MUI goku and super saiyan blue evolution vegeta vs full power naruto and sasuke ( sorry but idk what their full power is) Press J to jump to the feed. Goku states he overtaxed himself and he could barely move. Those were feats Goku could do as a child. Now that we’ve established Vegeta had a clear and complete victory over Goku, the question still remains: Why did Goku enter the fight? Vegeta even points out that all the enemies Supreme Kai says are powerful have been very little effort to dispose of and that Boo overall had less power due to being locked away in the cocoon. That doesn’t add up. Because Kaio-Ken acts as a combat level multiplier. 勝つのはどっちだ! On top of that, Thanos' skin is built like a rock … Or do you believe something else entirely? His rage and instability combined his natural evilness led him to full on attacking Goku and Vegeta, making him seem much more violent and powerful. How Fat Boo is the strongest form of Boo: The Saiyan thirst for a challenge. Goku was NOT strong enough to beat Fat Boo. Vegeta tells Goku that he cannot beat him with attacks like that, as Duplicate Vegeta aggressively pushes Goku back. Supreme Kai points out why Kid Boo is so much weaker but still putting up such a fight: Kid Boo LOST the souls of the Kai’s he absorbed, meaning he lost all the power of four characters who could one shot Freeza. Flamechamp2333: 41: 12/20 3:36PM: The manga unintentionally made a new retcon.. Ssj3 Goku (Buu saga) is SSB tier: … Sign Up Login. Katsu no wa dotchida!? Instead of making a cliche hero beats villain plot, Toriyama gave character. Vegeta slowly gets up. So Round 1 is a stomp by Dialga, either through it's time warping ability, or if Goku and Vegeta manage to kill it, they also lose due to them literally killing the being that makes time go round. Kid Goku vs Vegeta. Goku also possesses the ability to fly, a power unseen in Naruto. There’s no way to say, and thus, no way to FAIRLY pit them against each other. Now stop spreading the whole “Kid Boo is strongest Boo” thing, people. Goku stated many times Vegeta was too much for him. Strength. Inability to access isn’t the same as not having altogether. The SSJ3 transformation burns energy so fast that Goku couldn’t keep it up in a living body, as opposed to when they were like…pure soul or whatever earlier on in that arc. But he STILL isn’t down. He knew he wasn’t going to win and decided to do all he could to weaken Vegeta. Super Boo wanted a challenge. 勝つのはどっちだ!? Do you honestly believe Super Boo (even with Gohan absorbed) had more power than Kid Boo’s power level + 4x Freeza one shotting power? When Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, Goku survived as he was being sent to Earth. The only reason he *seemed* strong was he was pure rage and unstable. GokÅ« tai fukusei BejÄ«ta! Trunks remembers that the main body was Duplicate Gryll, whom Duplicate Vegeta defeated earlier. Close. Vegeta beat Goku up 100%, just didn’t kill him. Goku vs Vegeta First Fight. It’d be like asking who would win in a fight between Charlie Sheen and some other being in some other dimension. They then pronounce to each other that they will not lose. So even if Superman is on top of the fight, he would be wise to end it quickly because if Vegeta is given enough time, he will definitely … June 5, 2016 Many people believe Teen Gohan is an incorrect fan term for the Gohan from the Cell Games saga since he is 11, as said in many games and the Funimation dub, however, he is neither 11 nor a teen during the Cell Games. That right there concluded Goku vs Vegeta with Vegeta as the very established winner. Goku can only fight at peak power for a couple minutes before needing to power down out of exhaustion (refer to his battle against Kid Boo and the drain of SSJ3.) If they were still able to stay in SSJ3 for extended periods of time after they returned to life, the rest of the arc would have been a joke. So, how old is Cell Games saga Gohan? SSJ2 Vegeta could fight more on par with Kid Boo than Fat Boo, and Fat Boo wasn’t even trying to win nor using much of his power. After using x3, Goku states he is already out of power and won’t be able to continue much longer, while Vegeta has plenty in reserve. Supreme Kai also states every Kai that Boo absorbed had the power to beat Freeza in a single punch. "Goku vs Copy-Vegeta! Vegeta starts getting frustrated that Duplicate Veget… January 13, 2018 Naruto enacts his Sage Mode and sends various shadow clones running at Goku with each clone holding a Rasengan. It is a potential advantage they can use. Everyone wants to throw around non-canon facts and give one character an unfair advantage that said character doesn’t even have while the other just looks like a helpless worm next to it. It's not really unfair that Vegeta had his tail. In the final battle, Goku fought Kid Boo ONLY in SSJ3, not SSJ1 nor SSJ2. Babidi decided to have the Z fighters tackle a collection of his monsters in order to gather energy to awaken Buu, but Goku and Vegeta really didn't give them very much time. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts First off, Broly is non-canon so, by canonical standpoints, Boo wins simply because he’s an actual character in the official DB universe. He also broke space and time barriers in a fight, survived a supernova that destroyed the planet he was on, got hit by a nuclear blast after being exposed to massive amounts of kryptonite, and kept fighting non-stop for several days on end. This episode is the first to have different music for the preview of the next episode, it's also the first time. The Majin Charm was a potential unlock, so even after he died, Vegeta kept that power and with that power and Goku are dead even and Vegeta outright said SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Vegeta "defeated" Goku AFTER the battle so it doesn't count, and even though we all know SSJ3 Goku would've wiped the floor with Vegeta this never happened so we can't call Goku … Potage re-seals Commeson, and thanks everyone for their efforts. He made the hero lose and the villain win in a way that made Goku’s character more believable: Goku isn’t the hero who wins every fight. Jaco points out that Vegeta is even more transparent than before. Maybe from the instant kaio ken 1 failed to stop Vegeta, he might of had the feeling that he’d lose. 1 Winner: Thanos Thanos is superior to the Saiyan Prince in the most important aspects of the fight, which is strength, regeneration skills, intelligence, and weapons. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Katsu no wa dotchida! SSJ1 Gohan and SSJ1 Goten together managed to beat Broly, so that ends it right there. Toriyama wrote that fight to show even when he couldn’t win, Goku still gave his all. Follow 58. Maybe being in the Z universe would give Supes more power. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. 0. The problem is that Goku wasn’t really trying in the first fight with Buu because they wanted Gotenks to do it, and then when they had to be the one to do it(with Vegeta), they were brought back to life. Vegeta Disappears?! 0. Vegeta decisively wins. Series While most Dragon Ball fans believe that Super Saiyan 4 Goku wouldn’t stand a chance against Super Saiyan Blue Goku, the truth is that it’s very hard to guess which one is the strongest. Which One Is Going to Win?!" Most of your debate right here has been disproven previously on my blog. ?, GokÅ« tai fukusei BejÄ«ta! Superman vs. Goku: Why It’s A Pointless Debate. Potage notes that even though the core was destroyed, time has ran out and Vegeta is disappearing. Goku (Base/Super Saiyan Blue) vs. !, on Crunchyroll. Goku vs Majin Vegeta: Stalemate. Vegeta steps in-between Trunks and Commeson, as Trunks screams out for his father. After Vegeta was sent into the sky and gone for a moment, Yajirobe comes over to congratulate Goku on “killing” the Saiyan and pats Goku on the back, causing Goku to scream in pain. Goku: Solar Flare! "Goku vs. the Duplicate Vegeta! Not only are characters like Goku and Vegeta already insanely powerful, they regularly train to become even more powerful and seek out worthy opponents to test their strength.. With all of … The manga states Gohan is 16 after the time skip between Cell Games and the Saiyaman sagas. Vegeta then screams out of anger. Trunks notices that Vegeta's ki is disappearing, and quickly flies to him, and Goten follows. This saga is TV Original and not based on the manga. Doesn't matter Goku was still alive and conscious: without outside help he was unable to do anything. Speed. It is in their genes. He could leap tall buildings and outrun speeding bullets and that was about the peak of his power. This already puts Vegeta at a higher power level, demonstrated when he makes a plaything out of Goku in the first phase of their battle. ?, lit. Posted by 3 hours ago. Vegeta charges at Goku. Episode # Buu’s main strong point is their instant regeneration that comes from being a blob monster in humanoid form. Again, it comes down to which one you choose, and it unfairly gives one an advantage. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. Previous episode After turning into Kid Boo, Goku and Vegeta laugh and poke fun at Kid Boo’s demeanor and chi, as he has become significantly weaker, knowing that they could kill this Boo. We later learn during the events on Namek from Dodoria that before going to Earth, Vegeta’s combat level was 18,000. Another sign of this is Vegeta effortlessly creating an artificial moon, something that takes tremendous power output, while Goku is hunched over in a mess of pain. Commeson takes advantages of this and quickly attacks Trunks. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to … Vegeta powers up and launches off a Galick Gun that would’ve been somewhere between a power level of 24,000 and 32,000, as Goku’s ONLY way of overpowering it was using a 4x Kaio Ken, pushing him to 32,000, enough to counter Vegeta’s Galick Gun. Jaco pulls out his camera, realizing he would not see another scene like this, but much to his dismay, his camera's battery had run out. Goku vs. the Duplicate Vegeta! Who Will Prevail?!") Goku vs Vegeta: Who won the first battle? What do you think? Who's Gonna Win? It isn’t until Gohan goes Oozaru by pure accident that Vegeta is finally beaten and left helpless and has to retaliate to fight another day. Vegeta is shocked to see he had been chewing on a thing babies chew on. Again to prove the point, SSJ2 Vegeta at full power (even detonating his own body) didn’t even phase Fat Boo. Really think about that. Goku vs. the Duplicate Vegeta! 悟空VS複製ベジータ! Grandpa Gohan names him “Son Goku”. Every form of Boo was able to beat SSJ3 Goku in some way (I’ve explained this in a previous post with scans provided). Goku and Vegeta are very strong and it wouldn't be easy to break them down emotionally by the use of telepathy but Galactus and Silver Surfer won't race unless they try it out. This episode first aired in Japan on June 5, 2016. The first thing is this: There is no way to accurately pit Goku and Superman. Literal Name Goku telepathically communicates with Krillin when he awakens and begins the Spirit Bomb plan as Gohan faces Vegeta. Chi-Chi, when told Goku will be returning for the tournament, says it has been SEVEN years since she last saw Goku, which would’ve been right before the Cell Games. Only Kid and Super Boo were ever hurt. Maybe the sun in the Z universe isn’t strong enough to power him and instead his power would drain over time. Goku must then use the Kaio-Ken times 3 just to surpass Vegeta. 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