They may not be the best band in the history of music, but there are alot worse bands out there, present and past. I could almost tolerate “Rikki don’t lose that number,” but just barely. Yep, this was me also. Best part is though, its just dang good music. Steely Dan’s music is subversive. I could be wrong but I have seen your face before What are you, like 15? Steely Dan is a weird band. And the radio kept playing them, because that’s what classic rock radio does. Steely Dan’s fans gush about the band’s perfectionism, musicianship, and sly lyrical darkness, but my new, grudging appreciation had nothing to do … I think the comparison with Todd Rundgren is right on. The session guys made significant creative contributions. The Wall turned out ok,and it was done in pretty much the same manner Aja was. The “situation” is that I love music and really get into cult bands that fall outside of the norm. I’ve had so many people tell me to check out Steely Dan that I almost feel like there’s something wrong with me for thinking they are a gross mixture of the worst parts of three genres that I like, jazz, R&B and funk. The people who respond to the question, “What kind of music do you like?” with “I like everything” make my skin crawl. ( Log Out /  You know why? They were superficially goofy and very eclectic, but I quite enjoy their music myself. With a gun But whence comes this universal willingness to bow to the artistic integrity of their wheezy, toothless faux jazz/rock parody? But they’ve been one of my all-time favorite bands for about a decade now. Also, whoever made that comment that this music isn’t repetitive is full of it. That could explain a lot.But seriously, Thin Lizzy with their “expert use” of the wah-wah pedal over Steely Dan. Change ), Josh Rouse: 1972 (2003), Nashville (2005), The Happiness Waltz (2013) I think these are 2 of the main reasons they don’t get the respect they deserve. But the one thing I cannot do is forget them. Netflix has documentaries with critical commentary and vintage performance footage. Beats me. Steely Dan is part of what i like to call the “thinking mans rock.” Along with others like the Blue Oyster Cult Dire Straits (who i really dig) or Supertramp, very insightful lyrics with intricate instrumentation. On the surface, the dan deal in jazz tinged pop mega hits. And leave him lying in the rain? Those crazy cluster chords and voicings, dense vocal harmonies, jazzy modality, and a general dismissal of pop convention. Ya buys ya ticket…. The man is a genius songwriter. Did you pay the other man with the piece in your hand Certainly not in the league of Justin Heyward, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant or Geoff Tate. Acca Dacca They sound about the same live. In high school, I was the guy with over 200 tapes. I have lots of reasons for loving Steely Dan and believing that they don’t suck, but who cares? Some folks will never be comfortable with this as a legitimate art form. It’s a little amusing that you praise Tate and Perry, and at the same time seem to claim to be an acceptable judge of musicianship and songcraft. That being said, I still find roughly 98% of the music that’s ever been recorded completely unlistenable. 6:22 am. At some point you started craving those guitar licks on “Reelin’ In The Years.” “Deacon Blues” seemed to encapsulate a depressed mood better than most. It sounds awesome and most bands don’t even know it exists or how to make use of it, but whatever. Poor things, someday you will hate yourself, i predict. There was no “missing piece.” Nothing I had overlooked. I just don’t like storytellers and too smart-for-you-sarcasm in music. Brett I give them every opportunity. How immature! anyway, intersting viewpoint of one of the great bands. Now, even that grates. They would bring in separate groups of session players so they could hear different interpretations of the music. September 5, 2017 @ What do u respect about them? Does that make it mainstream now? I had a brief affair with a woman fifteen years older than me. “I feel like I am different from others and not in a good way.” This was the most common statement when a group of researchers tested some subjects for their familiar … I’ll play just what I feel And so the legacy of Steely Dan was cemented for millions of Americans through the classic rock radio format, whether you grew up listening to the records when they were first released, or got introduced to the band later in life. You hear songs like Do it Again or Stealers Wheels’ Stuck in the Middle and wander what in sam hell their talking about?! Some did, some didn’t. The thing is, I’ve never quite been able to understand the hate. Listen to something like Razor Boy or Dirty Work. They still suck. Part of their charm is that they have a somewhat limited audience. When I listen to Steely Dan now I don’t hear a band, but a gathering of highly talented, but pretentious studio musicians trying to outdo each other. And you should feel no shame in saying it. No reverb + well placed microphones = slick production? Steely Dan is music for self-congratulating, self-proclaimed “progressive-types” who believe that being an intellectual is sonomous with being a Steely Dan fanboy. My feeling towards these people is that they’ve probably never had a true emotion, love or hate, in their entire lives. It’s like falling in love with a person – appearance, yes, intelligence, yes, personality, definitely – but you don’t fall in love with everyone you meet that has all three. Steely Dan really does suck. Steely Dan never was my bag, but I will readily admit they were supremely talented, as were the musicians who backed them. Cheesy, limited in range, and not quite up to par. “I don’t hate them,” I replied. Robert Hill 5:00 pm, Cool you mentioned him cause Waylon covered Bakerstreet on Hangin Tough. Outside of Steely Dan’s followers, they barely exist. How much Steely Dan do you own? That freaked me out, man. I put Hey Nineteen on at a twenty first birthday party recently (im 20), and everyone danced along, not really noticing the shift from modern r’n’b to a steely dan single from 1980. Gumslasher Steely Dan – Babylon Sisters 40 Comments 0 Tags Drive west on Sunset To the sea Turn that jungle music down Just until we're out of town This is no one night stand It's a real occasion Close your eyes … Look, Steely Dan is not for everyone. The result of all this set to tighter-than-a-cat’s-arse funk/r’n’b/jazz/Latin/pop/disco rhythms, executed by the finest session cats the 70s had to offer? BuzzFeed As Is Something for everyone interested in hair, makeup, … Bill I wanted to finally find the last piece of the puzzle, find that missing “something” that I had been overlooking all those years. To be honest, you don’t really have the right to dislike a band unless you know them. That cheesy chord you refer to must be the Mu Major. It certainly works for me. Crack a beer, throw some shit on the grill, and put on “Can’t Buy a Thrill”. To conclude, steely dan are fantastic songwriters who’ve produced a lot of gorgeous music. “..music you hear in frat houses when the brothers are trying to put on a sophisticated air.” That sums it up brilliantly. , Also, Walter (RIP ) produced Rickie Lee Jones’ excellent 1989 LP ‘Flying Cowboys,’ and co-wrote the lovely opening track “The Horses.” , Erik North I have never found anything to emotionally connect to with in Steely Dan. I realize you have a very limited understanding of the world, but please understand this: you cannot say that you respect someone and still say that they “suck”. The easy answer is “the characters” but that’s not really it. BTW, I just read your “please read my diary” section. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of follow-up comments via e-mail. I didn’t understand the dan for a while. September 5, 2017 @ Meh. With Steely Dan, I similarly found myself enjoying them more as I got older. No room sound, dead air you can’t hear the ebb and flow of a ‘live’ vibe except maybe more so on their first album. 4:38 pm. Of course, before long, I was hooked, and had picked through their entire catalogue with a fine tooth (or is that ear) comb, my foot tapping the whole time. September 6, 2017 @ And I do mean light, as in illumination. There is an emotional attachment there. I bet none of them has ever listened to anything that wasn’t played on the radio (and we all know how awesome it is to base a band’s music on what the radio stations select to play over and over again). Your results may vary. Besides loving country I love 90s alt rock, surf, punk, 50s and early 60s rock, and Latin stuff like bachata and salsa. September 5, 2017 @ September 6, 2017 @ Then, I googled “Steely Dan” sucks and find a blogger in the same situation. “Steely Dan? Smoother than butter on a baby’s arse. I think perhaps you’re confusing them with Three Dog Night. After having this realization I looked back on the stuff I have written as well as the stuff I am writing now. Some of the absolute best players on their albums. By college, I was always having to buy more blank cassettes, walking down the dorm hallways copying everything I could get my hands on. I have all their albums and have much admired the Dan from the start. If you can’t clearly see the sarcasm behind their letter (or Owen’s reply, for that matter, who clearly got the joke) then you have no business talking about SD in the first place. They have not and never will go viral. What I almost like the most about steely dan is the combined personality of Becker and Fagen. Finally, why does the guy in the previous post even mention he’s trained in classical music, most people would fall asleep at a concert if they had to listen to that, but steely dan sucks? I totally agree with you Robb. My parents always respected my room when I was a kid and I can't seem to find an explanation for it. Three little words that girls use to hide their feelings The fundamental opposite of I Love You. Saw them back in 2001 at what is now KeyBank Pavilion in Burgettstown, Pa. I thought you hated them?” she said. December 22, 2020 December 22, 2020 Lassitor 2 Comments In this video, Thomas Sowell explains why the Jewish people have faced an intense level of hate and … September 5, 2017 @ You didn’t know what exactly it was you didn’t like about Steely Dan. I just came across your blog while looking up some SD lyrics. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I love, love, love Steely Dan and I just treasure their albums. My response to Random Question #3 notwithstanding, it appears that I may have changed. Drink Scotch whisky all night long It’s so much fun to find new styles of music! They want you to squirm at their cheesy-meets-seedy lyrics. Well ther are always critics who cant ilike some one eleses music,stee dan is great music and you know it those who cant critisize love peace and joy to you! I find it very annoying, and his odd vocal mannerisms make me want to throw stuff against the wall. The subject matter, the world weary, impenetrable lyrics and the general cynicism, which is referred to by seehoweasy above, make the listening often less than rewarding. But WHY I might like Steely Dan or Frank Zappa, or stock car racing, has probably just as much to do with my experiences and place in my life when it occurred than anything else. Why Steely Dan's 7th studio album, "Gaucho," works so well 40 years after its release. 4:45 pm. It’s cool, atypical and often at odds with their flawlessly smooth music, making things doubly subversive. From their own book, REELING IN THE YEARS: “If, upon finishing a song, we didn’t return to the hotel and roar with laughter, there was a failure somewhere.” This I liked. No really I think they are sh1t I just can’t cope with anyone thinking I am not capable of understanding the rich textures of those 11th and 13th chords and those sardonic yet deeply meaningful and metaphorical lyrics. I equally hate their writing. You almost need to adjust your mindset and engross yourself in their music to ‘get it’. And the reason why most people choose not to do this is because whatever it is they're doing isn't enjoyable to them. Great horns. People do not like Anne Hathaway. I’m in LOVE with Steely Dan & Donald Fagen’s strangely sexy voice. Also, they have a million session musicians, I mean it’s overkill. 4:54 pm. More precisely, I don’t love them, and that’s what I think I’m getting at here. Packed house. William Gibson called them "the most genuinely subversive" band in late-20th Century pop. or you can simply kick back and play their records on a summer’s day, margarita close by. But you didn’t like it. Another way to think about it is: Steely Dan is for music what ‘The Office’ and ‘curb’ are for comedy. ( Log Out /  Depeche Mode: Delta Machine (2013) How do I make Dead Guy a more engaging and satisfying experience than Steely Dan? I hated them for years. Ok, so you managed to write a piece about one of my favorites and you even mentioned one of my other favorites (Supertramp). I fall in love with new (or “new to me”) songs on a regular basis, and I’m always desperately looking for songs to fall in love with, artists to collect, catalogs to complete. When you’re born to play the fool Trigger 1:41 pm, Maybe not one of my favorite bands, but the Dan had some songs I like — including the ones mentioned in the article, plus “Reelin’ in the Years,” “Rikki, Don’t Lose That Number,” “My Old School,” “Hey, Nineteen,” and “Cousin Dupree” (from the Grammy-winning ‘Two Against Nature’). Personally, I love it. The relative indifference I felt for them turned to disrespect when they accused Owen Wilson of ripping off a character from their song “Cousin Dupree” for use in the movie “You, Me, & Dupree” (ref: http://www.steelydan.com/heyluke.html). Earbuds or computer speakers won’t cut it. September 7, 2017 @ And waiting. People fagen or Becker knew? Craftsmanship. They use a wide variety of chords because they like the sound, and because they can. Why Do They Hate Trump Like No One Else? I can’t stand Steely Dan either. When I was younger and more naive, I bought their album with Reeling in the Years, and touted them as great only because others said they were such talented professionals. Listen to Baxter’s guitar on their first three records. omg!!! With you 100% about loving many styles. Don’t expect any audience interaction. The best bands will have thier fare share of ‘haters’. And afterwards, turned and ground their cigarettes on the sidewalk with their heels. … n after reading this i dont feel so bad…. So yes, Steely Dan sucks. Sam Cody I’m not sure if they leave me cold, or if I find them pretentious (imagine that), or what, but I don’t care for them. || Btw I found this page by googling I HATE STEELY DAN. 6:25 pm. Somewhere in there my tastes, my reason for listening to music or seeing movies or looking at art, went from an intellectual interest to learn about stuff to a need to emotionally engage with something, to fall in love. So what? And also “The Fez” and “F.M. The sax in ‘Baker Street’ is awesome. Last night I finished – after three attempts – watching a Tivo’d episode of “Classic Albums” on their landmark “Aja” record from 1977. September 6, 2017 @ I bought both “Inside Genesis” DVDs- 1970-5 and 1975-80. “Steely Dan is the inevitable end product of people who’ve never experienced real hardship mimicking the forms and styles of people who have. So I find that by December 26th, I am … It is fine to respect and admire something, but that is not enough anymore. Who knows. Right? September 29, 2019 @ Putting off something that needs to be … 1:23 am. Their songs smirk. Thanks for posting! I’ll even say it: they suck. Okay, I get the picture, you know music, you’re probably intelligent too. They fucking suck!! I like them because they have a way of looking at people and situations that I can identify with. Great drums. Look, Steely Dan is not for everyone. 10:27 pm, Brett, I’m right out there with though as a Texan, I tend to lean to Outlaw Country. The story and the theme are important too, but again, not the whole answer. Glad to hear that you seem to have found out that such a connection does matter to you, now. I also get a boner for the complicated syncopated rhythms of Indian Classical and flamenco. Without their bloated, pretentious, pseudo-jazz noodling, who would have inspired punk? Saturate before using. Concert can be good or bad depending on his mood. Fans with tickets to the previously announced 2020 dates are encouraged to hold on to … Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. And happily, Steely Dan doesn’t care too much about what you and I think. Of course I was happy to be said " I love … Do white and non-white Evangelicals see the world the same way? They were popular despite themselves, because they were just too good to be ignored, even if they were often misunderstood. Sheets”. They’ll never be my favorite band. know that Alabama is the Crimson Tide. But looking back as a youngster, I recall the feelings of, “Man, I don’t know, this feels dull, but maybe I don’t know because I’m not a professional musician.” Now I’m more aware of the corporate crap and self-promotion. Always has been. Keep loving music 😛. Slick harmonies. Because Steely Dan was cool. : ” Bryan Cranston sneaks winking references to them into Malcolm In The Middle and Breaking Bad … || You are obviously grovelling far too long here. These guys could write. Let's face it, it's sort of a weird band that's too jazzy to be progressive rock, and too rock to be considered jazz, that was slotted into the slosh pit of the … I always thought ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ would make a great country song. With Steely Dan, from what I understand, their work was never predicated on “getting that thing in there”, as you say, that would “make people fall in love” with their creative output. Your email address will not be published. It’s because of Steely Dan that two or three generations of hipsters, psychedelics etc. Gena R. She went back to her book and I kept watching. (No Static At All)”. Music comes first. And to LOVE them. The two are mutually exclusive (look it up). The atmosphere is in the harmony. It undermines peoples expectations and preconceptions. I think the songs are emotionally aloof and fail to connect with hard-edged listeners. And when I think of the stuff I am most proud of and ask myself WHY it is I am proud of it, and I can’t really explain, I think that is what it comes to: I am in love with it, and more importantly other people have fallen in love with it too. I did a deep investigation and discovered that almost everything they say is sarcastic. They laughed because they were cryin’, and Walter most of all. As I’ve aged I have really realized how cool it is to like many different styles of music. We get sick of hearing the same songs repetitively, especially when they keep repeating in our heads. Yeah, there are some jazz chord progressions. September 8, 2017 @ I’ve seen him a few times in concert. I appreciate their talent and artistry but have to admit after their first album and a few singles here and there, I never got Steely Dan. Jethro Tull (particularly the progressive mid 70’s period) is one of my favorites. Are they trippin on drugs or is it something more? September 8, 2017 @ You didn’t want anyone else to think you were uncool, like Steely Dan. I would totally hang out with cool people like that. Just learn how to use certain music in certain situations. And they’ve done it their way, that inimitable steely dan way, the way that turned them into cult antiheroes and the pop connoisseurs choice of listening for the last 40 years or so. Get over your nostalgic youths and admit that they suck. Two guys hiring session musicians that are playing pre-determined parts from sheet music with no improvisation or rubbing off of the individual musician’s personality is usually going to sound sterile and bland. The answer is complicated and multifaceted. sbach66 And finally, I leave all you non-believers with their performance on The Old Grey Whistle Test form 1973. There were only 3 phrases, "No, I do not dislike, I love Japan!" I don’t care about this, and I’m a trained classical musician. Enough said. FYI, their best songs aren’t the ones you hear on the radio. Jim They have a connection with the very heart and soul of the genre. And, I find ‘haters’ of the Dan, interesting, but, you are like that Talking Heads song. They haven’t been anywhere close to mainstream in decades. September 5, 2017 @ Rolling Stone magazine rated three Steely Dan records on their Greatest 500 Albums of All Time. Whoever it was who mentioned “just slick production and overuse of one cheesy chord”, thanks for the laugh. Or some other such depravity? Masturbated in public? But why do so many Avatar fans hate The Legend of Korra? Steely Dan was like the alternative rock band of that time ? Your right, the sax is killer on that one! September 5, 2017 @ https://youtu.be/Z0rVFjhRL7w, Jack Williams But I thought they did some really cool stuff. This was, by far, the most mature and enlightening discussion I have come across in debating the “suckiness” of a band. Here’s what the study concluded: Here’s what the study concluded: A community of religiously committed Evangelicals holds … September 6, 2017 @ Even in my younger and punker days, I … I’ve enjoyed reading all comments…. As a consequence I find myself taking deep dives into classic artists of many genres in a search for something fresh, strangely enough. Admittedly, I am a word-nerd, and lots of pop lyrics annoy me – but none so much as theirs. My guess is zero, sucka. “Soul nourishing stuff” is a good way to describe them. Don’t worry if they’re great, you agree, and you don’t like them. It reaffirms my belief – despite our frequent and inevitable transgressions- in the goodness of our society. Still don’t get them…but that’s me. Maybe it was Donald Fagan’s high pitched voice, or the sort of quasi disco sound of “Peg” and others. I love Van Morrison. Let me reassure you there is nothing to grovel about. I **cking hated Steely dan when i was growing up and thought they sucked and if music wasn’t heavy and rocking out, it was worthless. Scotty J They were like The Band. It’s a completely different medium, and hardly the same character. Haha, BrushHawg Wow. Fagen never quite sounds genuine. They set benchmarks and high standards. Hopefully you’ll see my point, but if not, we’re all friends here 🙂 Not sure if that is normal or a sign of the quality of new music or a combination of the two. It doesn’t matter who it is–people you form close relationships and you offer social support to will hate on you. You may also dig this band too…A title dusting of Fagen & Becker. I like the space and dynamic range. And you’ve seen all the western movies Steely Dan is probably right up at the top as a studio band and as someone who has never really been that into hearing live music I always gravitate to performers that take recorded music seriously and that was really true with Steely Dan. 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